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| Balrog | Date: Friday, 13-Apr-2012, 10:53:03 | Message # 1 |
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Hi Guys ... As you'll know, I've had Ross complete my Tau -->> AT-43 infantry conversions ...
>>> http://www.northayrshirewargamesclub.co.uk/forum/13-218-1
>>> My Tau Army >>> http://www.northayrshirewargamesclub.co.uk/forum/12-193-1
... so I've began looking about for suitable AFV. My battlesuits, broadsides, piranha, etc, are usable as various light AFV's, but I've found the other models too big. So, rather than re-invent the wheel, I fancy just using what's already floating about and the Cogs are the only one's that seem to crop up as being available to buy at cheap prices. That and everything else crops up on evilBay at ridiculous prices!
Choosing the Cogs, I'd thought I'd write them into my AT-43 "Tau Dominion" armybook as "allies" gone bad, so the factions would have their fighting vehicles, but are now mortal enemies to the "masters of evolution", using their own weapons against them. They would have the same points & stats and I can get on with completing my armybook.
At the mo, I'll be using the UNA as a main guide to what my units will be stats-wise, with a few extra's to cover my drones (based on the Therian - Storm Arachns), Kroots, Stingwings, etc, from various other armys. Everything will be open to ideas from other players ... I don't want to drop an army on you that's mad-mental and impossible to beat!
Any thoughts or advice appreciated ... Thanks, Walts
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| zellak | Date: Tuesday, 24-Apr-2012, 09:59:23 | Message # 2 |
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There are quite a few people watching this thread.
Isn't time you posted something for them to read.
Like some real details of what you are playtesting ?????
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DEMON : " When next we meet, i shall tear you limb from limb...there will be no escape. "
Hero: " You bring balloon animals and i'll hire a clown..... we can make it a regular party. "
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| Balrog | Date: Tuesday, 24-Apr-2012, 22:06:47 | Message # 3 |
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Hi z ... I'm still getting odd suggestions from AT-43 players, so come Friday I'll post what's been suggested and some Tau stats to get things moving along! ... Walts
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| zellak | Date: Saturday, 28-Apr-2012, 18:06:36 | Message # 4 |
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Its Saturday....where are the stats ? 
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DEMON : " When next we meet, i shall tear you limb from limb...there will be no escape. "
Hero: " You bring balloon animals and i'll hire a clown..... we can make it a regular party. "
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| gerrywithaG | Date: Saturday, 28-Apr-2012, 18:36:24 | Message # 5 |
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Waiting to see these myself too!!!!
Cheers
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And I am watching YOU!!!!!!!!!!!
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| Che | Date: Saturday, 28-Apr-2012, 18:38:30 | Message # 6 |
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Quote (Balrog) I don't want to drop an army on you that's mad-mental and impossible to beat!
I bet you do really! 
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| Balrog | Date: Saturday, 28-Apr-2012, 22:07:15 | Message # 7 |
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Quote (Che) I bet you do really!
sssshhhhhhhh Che, don't let the other guys know!  ... Walts
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| Balrog | Date: Saturday, 28-Apr-2012, 22:17:52 | Message # 8 |
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Soz Guys ... Once again my plans to get on with the "Tau Dominion" got scuppered by friends and annoying builders who think it's alright to just appear when they want!
As your working through the new campaign anyway, there's no real rush. I've got a shed load of extra work coming my way over the fortnight with one of my bosses being on holiday and I have to cover his work, so I really wanted to get something online with the Tau, but it's on the back burner, again! 
There's never enough time in the year to get anything done! ... Walts
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| zellak | Date: Sunday, 13-May-2012, 00:25:52 | Message # 9 |
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two weeks later...still nothing of substance.
its the red blok army lists all over again.
sigh. 
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DEMON : " When next we meet, i shall tear you limb from limb...there will be no escape. "
Hero: " You bring balloon animals and i'll hire a clown..... we can make it a regular party. "
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| Balrog | Date: Sunday, 13-May-2012, 07:38:46 | Message # 10 |
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Soz z ... Been working 24/7 the last fortnight, and things ain't going to improve.  But, I've pencilled in the middle of June to get the Tau Dominion sorted, honest Guv'ner!!!
My biggest problem is allocating points to the units, heroes and special abilities ... there's no commmon ground within AT-43 to justify anything when it comes to the points!  Have u any suggestions (or a formula?) for giving points to units, heroes, abilitys, special weapons, support units ... ??? Is there an overall points system that needs to be considered? ... Thanks, Walts
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| zellak | Date: Sunday, 13-May-2012, 19:26:29 | Message # 11 |
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Use the UNA AP costs...or as near as possible.
Add around 15% for a minor boost and 33% for a major boost.
Then play-test the lists to death !!!!!
BUT !!!
Before you start with an armylist of any kind. I would suggest you describe the army in detail.
Its doctrines, its modes of operation, how it deals with different threats, how it fights in urban warfare.
How it deals with horde armies. How it fights in defence.
Define how it works in theory, its strengths and weaknesses, this will help define the trooptypes and how they fit into the system.
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DEMON : " When next we meet, i shall tear you limb from limb...there will be no escape. "
Hero: " You bring balloon animals and i'll hire a clown..... we can make it a regular party. "
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| Balrog | Date: Sunday, 13-May-2012, 20:52:00 | Message # 12 |
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Excellent advice! ... Thanks z ... Walts
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| Banksi | Date: Sunday, 13-May-2012, 21:23:28 | Message # 13 |
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Another thing to remember is all the armies have weaknesses, So as well as strengths you need to plan what they wont be good at.
E.G. With Karman it's weakness is lack of numbers, poor medic and vehicle repair
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| pavlov | Date: Sunday, 13-May-2012, 21:29:24 | Message # 14 |
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Hi
Oh and dont forget type 2's lack of close combat ability and no support on basic army pattern, etc etc and were the super army yea. 
alan
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There is f&*k all cool about 10+ civil engineers running around every battlefield
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| Balrog | Date: Sunday, 13-May-2012, 21:47:14 | Message # 15 |
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Thanks guys, more good advice to put into the pot!
At the mo, my Tau army will suffer from poor close combat and a heavy need for officers to function, or use lots of LP's to do the basics. It's been a while since I've looked at my 40K Tau armybook for some other inspiration, so any pointers appreciated for the bad side of the army as well! ... Walts
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| Banksi | Date: Sunday, 13-May-2012, 22:23:01 | Message # 16 |
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Quote (Balrog)
At the mo, my Tau army will suffer from poor close combat and a heavy need for officers to function, or use lots of LP's to do the basics. It's been a while since I've looked at my 40K Tau armybook for some other inspiration, so any pointers appreciated for the bad side of the army as well! ... Walts
If you dont give it close combat weapons it doesnt have close combat
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| Balrog | Date: Sunday, 13-May-2012, 23:24:10 | Message # 17 |
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Quote (Banksi) If you dont give it close combat weapons it doesnt have close combat
Ouch ... It won't be that extreme! I'd had a mind to give opponents an extra re-roll for hits & damage? ... Walts
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| Banksi | Date: Monday, 14-May-2012, 00:53:01 | Message # 18 |
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All karman type 2 infantry cannot fight in hand to hand, they have no h2h weapons
I suggest you will have to be that extreme because quite a few heavy fire power units can't assault.
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Message edited by Banksi - Monday, 14-May-2012, 00:55:15
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| Balrog | Date: Monday, 14-May-2012, 07:14:29 | Message # 19 |
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Quote (Banksi) I suggest you will have to be that extreme because quite a few heavy fire power units can't assault.
Didn't know that, Guv'ner! 
So, what I'll do is remove H2H attacks for ALL the stand-alone Support Units and ALL inf units of all types will continue to have poor H2H, i.e. opponents get re-rolls on their hit & pen. That weaken's my inf across the board and keeps things simple to remember. Of course, that's just the Tau. The Kroot and Vespid are the grunts of the army and won't suffer from these disadvanatges, so the bulk of my fielded inf will have poor H2H skills.
Is that OK you think? ... Walts
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| zellak | Date: Saturday, 19-May-2012, 15:17:40 | Message # 20 |
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Three weeks..........still waiting. 
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DEMON : " When next we meet, i shall tear you limb from limb...there will be no escape. "
Hero: " You bring balloon animals and i'll hire a clown..... we can make it a regular party. "
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