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UMPIRE RULES QUERY ONI TRANSPORTS
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| gerrywithaG | Date: Monday, 13-Feb-2012, 23:15:19 | Message # 1 |
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Hi Gents,
Should the ONI Transports be available to all sides as they are mercenaries??
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Message edited by gerrywithaG - Thursday, 16-Feb-2012, 21:34:07
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| Banksi | Date: Monday, 13-Feb-2012, 23:18:07 | Message # 2 |
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Yes... I believe they are. Just like the medics.
In fact perhaps the whole ONI army is available.. but that might be pushing it
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| Che | Date: Monday, 13-Feb-2012, 23:41:19 | Message # 3 |
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In the ONI book there is a system to incorporate ONI units into other armies. I recall any army can use ONI if they replace eg Red Blok even units with ONI units in a company. This is so the compulsory unit in a company always belongs to the relevant army. This might not be exact but I'm sure corrections will pour in.  Added (13-Feb-2012, 10:41 PM)
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It might be only standard companies can use ONI capitalist, mercenary running dogs paper tigers 
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| Banksi | Date: Monday, 13-Feb-2012, 23:52:24 | Message # 4 |
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Quote from the ONI book
Special: Any company from any army can recruit ONI units
from the basic ONI platoon pattern by following these rules:
The odd units, beginning with the first, adhere to the platoon
pattern of the company and are recruited from the fighters
stemming from the original army (Red Blok, U.N.A., etc.).
The even units, beginning with the second, adhere to the
generic platoon pattern for ONI and must recruit only ONI
fighters.
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Message edited by Banksi - Monday, 13-Feb-2012, 23:52:48
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| Che | Date: Monday, 13-Feb-2012, 23:56:59 | Message # 5 |
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| Banksi | Date: Monday, 13-Feb-2012, 23:57:05 | Message # 6 |
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Now I've read it i'm even more confused
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| gerrywithaG | Date: Tuesday, 14-Feb-2012, 00:00:57 | Message # 7 |
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Quote (Banksi) In fact perhaps the whole ONI army is available.. but that might be pushing it
Need to check that one out!!
Quote (Banksi) Quote from the ONI book
Special: Any company from any army can recruit ONI units
from the basic ONI platoon pattern by following these rules:
The odd units, beginning with the first, adhere to the platoon
pattern of the company and are recruited from the fighters
stemming from the original army (Red Blok, U.N.A., etc.).
The even units, beginning with the second, adhere to the
generic platoon pattern for ONI and must recruit only ONI
fighters.
Cheers for that. I will leave this question open until all the players have had their say
Da'UmpireAdded (13-Feb-2012, 11:00 PM)
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Quote (Che) Good grief! I got something right. Not as useless as I thought I was.
And there speaks Zellak's CO in the new campaign. Good luck !!!!! 
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| Che | Date: Tuesday, 14-Feb-2012, 00:03:03 | Message # 8 |
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Quote (Banksi) Now I've read it i'm even more confused
Armies can use any faction but must recruit from the vanilla ONI pattern. It's straight forward. Don't be confused, primate. Alright, I wasn't 100% right but I was almost there.
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| gerrywithaG | Date: Tuesday, 14-Feb-2012, 00:10:32 | Message # 9 |
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Quote (Che) Now I've read it i'm even more confused
Armies can use any faction but must recruit from the vanilla ONI pattern. It's straight forward. Don't be confused, primate. Alright, I wasn't 100% right but I was almost there.
Basically, as, an example , if the Karmans choose to use ONI troops and the Karmans have 5 units in the platoon, then the 1st( required element) , 3rd, and 5th units must come from the Karman platoon pattern , and the 2nd and 4th units in the platoon come from the basic ONI platoon pattern
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| zellak | Date: Tuesday, 14-Feb-2012, 00:26:01 | Message # 10 |
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I am against anyone using ONi forces of any kind in this campaign ( exception : Med Techs)
Why, because i think it will be better if everyone uses their own army.
( worst of all..... the HBT is the cheapest and best type 3 AFV in the game.
And i am concerned that Type 3 AFV will feature heavily in subsequent campaigns.)
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| Balrog | Date: Tuesday, 14-Feb-2012, 00:39:40 | Message # 11 |
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As the ONi are 100% mercs, they should be available to the rest of the army's, as per Page 18 "Special" rules. But, not any of the heroes? Can't see any ref to heroes, but I would say they would only associate themselves with ONi companies? ... Any thoughts guys? .... Walts
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| gerrywithaG | Date: Tuesday, 14-Feb-2012, 00:49:05 | Message # 12 |
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Quote (Balrog) As the ONi are 100% mercs, they should be available to the rest of the army's, as per Page 18 "Special" rules. But, not any of the heroes? Can't see any ref to heroes, but I would say they would only associate themselves with ONi companies? ... Any thoughts guys? .... Walts
The rules are very specific in that the only ONI units available are from the BASIC ONI platoon pattern therefore Heroes will not be allowed to be included in this as they are not part of the Basic platoon pattern.
Also be aware that the only slots that can be used will be the second slot which is a type I/II/III Infantry unit or the fourth slot which is a Type III Infantry unit or Type I/II/III AFV
In this SPECIFIC instance I am classifying the use of the word "fighter" to indicate infantry type units and NO AFV WILL BE ALLOWED
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Message edited by gerrywithaG - Tuesday, 14-Feb-2012, 00:49:28
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| Balrog | Date: Tuesday, 14-Feb-2012, 01:01:37 | Message # 13 |
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TO THE ONi ARMYBOOKS MEN!   Walts
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| gerrywithaG | Date: Tuesday, 14-Feb-2012, 01:06:12 | Message # 14 |
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Quote (Balrog) TO THE ONi ARMYBOOKS MEN! Walts
Walts, not so fast!!!! I haven't ruled on this as yet. I was only giving an indication of how it should be interpreted
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| Balrog | Date: Tuesday, 14-Feb-2012, 01:25:17 | Message # 15 |
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I knowwwwww .... ... so to get the use of an ONi AFV, I would need to buy an ONi inf unit first before the AFV became available? We didn't do that in the last campaign? ONi AFV could be used on their own? ... Any thoughts? ... YEAH, get to bed, u've work in the morning!!! ... Walts
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| gerrywithaG | Date: Tuesday, 14-Feb-2012, 01:28:44 | Message # 16 |
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Quote (Balrog) so to get the use of an ONi AFV, I would need to buy an ONi inf unit first before the AFV became available? We didn't do that in the last campaign? ONi AFV could be used on their own? ... Any thoughts? ... YEAH, get to bed, u've work in the morning!!! ... Walts
No, I'm not allowing the use of the AFV. The AFV will NOT be available , only the Infantry units. Please read through my post again will you
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| Balrog | Date: Tuesday, 14-Feb-2012, 07:31:01 | Message # 17 |
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Quote Also be aware that the only slots that can be used will be the second slot which is a type I/II/III Infantry unit or the fourth slot which is a Type III Infantry unit or Type I/II/III AFV
In this SPECIFIC instance I am classifying the use of the word "fighter" to indicate infantry type units and NO AFV WILL BE ALLOWED
Cheers ... Da'Umpire
OK Gerry, I get u now, I think?
With the mention of the Type 1/2/3 AFV in ur previous paragraph, I assumed AFV's to be OK, just that u needed to buy an ONi inf unit first before the AFV (or Type 3 inf) became available. Shame, I quite liked the ONi AFV stats for getting places, guess we'll need to use the old tin-can Camels! ... Walts
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| pavlov | Date: Tuesday, 14-Feb-2012, 17:35:46 | Message # 18 |
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Hi
It's pointless allowing th oni merc's into the game if there to be limited to infantry all other armies are as good if not better, if the issue is the type 3 then dont allow it .
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| gerrywithaG | Date: Thursday, 16-Feb-2012, 21:37:50 | Message # 19 |
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Quote (pavlov) It's pointless allowing th oni merc's into the game if there to be limited to infantry all other armies are as good if not better, if the issue is the type 3 then dont allow it .
If I allowed the AFV Type I/II choice and NOT the Type III AFV choice how would players view this?? Would this be an issue for players??
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| Balrog | Date: Thursday, 16-Feb-2012, 21:52:49 | Message # 20 |
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As a "hardcore" rules man, i.e. play as the rules are written, I personally think that all the AFV's should be made available to all the players, that way no-one has any advantage over the other. BUT, if the umpires throwing us a Type I or II AFV "bone", I'll take it! ... Walts
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