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GenCol & Frontline
CheDate: Saturday, 29-Oct-2011, 11:00 PM | Message # 1
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No need to post these company lists as they probably won't feature in the campaign, unless Walter wants to take control.

I'm guessing my rep will take a nose dive now wacko !
Message edited by Che - Saturday, 29-Oct-2011, 11:08 PM

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zellakDate: Sunday, 30-Oct-2011, 0:52 AM | Message # 2
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could you post them anyway.....thanks. happy
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DEMON : " When next we meet, i shall tear you limb from limb...there will be no escape. "

Hero: " You bring balloon animals and i'll hire a clown..... we can make it a regular party. "
 
CheDate: Thursday, 03-Nov-2011, 9:36 PM | Message # 3
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Frontline

1 x Krasnye Soldaty (12) 3 x Grenade Launchers 2 x Mechanics Master Sergeant 265

1 x RPG Soldaty (8) 1 x MGauss 1 x Medic 1 x Engineer (AT Minefield) Grenades Sergeant 250

1 x Dotch Yaga Lieutenant 820

Total Points = 1335

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Gencol

1 x Dragonov (9) 3 x ATGauss 2 x EW Spec Master Sergeant 315

1 x Krasnye Soldaty (8) + Tymofiyeva 1 x Grenade Launcher 2 x Mechanics 190

1 x RPG Soldaty + Tymofiyeva 1 x Rocket Launcher 1 x Medic 1 x Engineer 240

1 x Dotch Yaga Lieutenant 820

1 x Sierp (2) Sergeant 415

1 x Dragonov (9) 3 x Sniper 2 x EW Spec Master Sergeant 290

1 x Krasnye Soldaty (8) + Tymofiyeva 1 x Grenade Launcher 2 x Mechanics 190

1 x Spetsnatz (6) 1 x Rocket Launcher 2 x Medic Colonel 250

1 x Dragonov (9) 3 x Sniper 2 x EW Spec Master Sergeant 290

Total Points = 3000


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zellakDate: Monday, 14-Nov-2011, 10:24 PM | Message # 4
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GenCol list looks purpose built to take on Cypher !

So where are the Red Blok and Supra lists ?
Message edited by zellak - Monday, 14-Nov-2011, 10:25 PM

DEMON : " When next we meet, i shall tear you limb from limb...there will be no escape. "

Hero: " You bring balloon animals and i'll hire a clown..... we can make it a regular party. "
 
BalrogDate: Tuesday, 15-Nov-2011, 1:17 AM | Message # 5
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No Red Blok or Supra needed ... we've no-one to fight sad ... Still, a win's a win wink ... Lt Valts
 
zellakDate: Tuesday, 15-Nov-2011, 10:40 AM | Message # 6
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Are we not supposed to list our army lists to be checked for errors ?

Remember a list cannot change unless points are paid to change the units, or the Company returns to HQ.


DEMON : " When next we meet, i shall tear you limb from limb...there will be no escape. "

Hero: " You bring balloon animals and i'll hire a clown..... we can make it a regular party. "
 
BalrogDate: Tuesday, 15-Nov-2011, 4:07 PM | Message # 7
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Hi Z ... Not 100% about what u said? From the Frostbite Rulebook, a couple of company options ...
    Re-organization (Variable): The player alters the composition of a unit. He can add or remove fighters, change special
    weapons, officers and specialists. The cost in MP is equal to the A.P. value added or removed by the extra fighters and
    the change of weapons or officers. The unit and platoon composition rules detailed in the Army Books must be respected.

    The cost of the unit and the value of the company are recalculated.

    Important: Adding a fighter costs MP but removing one adds the fighter’s value to the MP pool, since the cost is negative!

    ... and ...

    Reinforcements (Special): The player builds a new unit. He spends the same amount of MP as the unit’s A.P. value
    and adds the unit to his company. The platoon pattern must be respected. The company’s value is re-calculated.
... which I understand that companies (and their units) can chop & change as u please? Obviously, if u disband the whole unit which has a medal associated with it, u lose that, but other than that the rules say u can re-arrange the company as u please ... doesn't it? ... Walts
 
zellakDate: Wednesday, 16-Nov-2011, 0:03 AM | Message # 8
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Oh dear , another campaign rule you seem to have missed.

You can only do Re-organisation(variable) in HQ.

You can do Reinforcement (special) when holding a sector.

That means all defending Companies, if they remove a unit....lose the points, and must pay for a new unit to replace it.

(whereas. units can be scrubbed in HQ and you get the points back to buy other units, though you still have to use the faction restrictions and cannot go over 3000 AP )

So let us see what you have got, you have had months to work it out. dry

DEMON : " When next we meet, i shall tear you limb from limb...there will be no escape. "

Hero: " You bring balloon animals and i'll hire a clown..... we can make it a regular party. "
 
BalrogDate: Wednesday, 16-Nov-2011, 0:29 AM | Message # 9
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@Z: I don't get that from the Frostbite rules? Do you mean it's another inHouse Rule? ... Walts
 
zellakDate: Wednesday, 16-Nov-2011, 0:34 AM | Message # 10
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Yes its an in-house rule.

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You can only do Re-organisation(variable) in HQ.

You can do Reinforcement (special) when holding a sector.


Original rules do not stipulate when these can be done, so make no sense.


DEMON : " When next we meet, i shall tear you limb from limb...there will be no escape. "

Hero: " You bring balloon animals and i'll hire a clown..... we can make it a regular party. "
 
BalrogDate: Wednesday, 16-Nov-2011, 0:44 AM | Message # 11
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Ah right ... so another item to add to the list for a face-2-face discussion/vote. wink wacko wink

So, if you lose a unit due to kills or want to simply change that unit to a different composition, you need to pay points if not at the HQ?

But, at the HQ, you can do what u want? What if you lose units and retreat to the HQ, do u not need to still pay points to beef ur army up again from your MP pool, or is everything free?

Walts
 
zellakDate: Wednesday, 16-Nov-2011, 10:26 AM | Message # 12
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Quote (Balrog)
So, if you lose a unit due to kills or want to simply change that unit to a different composition, you need to pay points if not at the HQ?


Yes.

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But, at the HQ, you can do what u want? What if you lose units and retreat to the HQ, do u not need to still pay points to beef ur army up again from your MP pool,or is everything free?


Where does it say you get back all the troops killed if you retreat to HQ ?
Message edited by zellak - Wednesday, 16-Nov-2011, 10:27 AM

DEMON : " When next we meet, i shall tear you limb from limb...there will be no escape. "

Hero: " You bring balloon animals and i'll hire a clown..... we can make it a regular party. "
 
BalrogDate: Wednesday, 16-Nov-2011, 10:36 AM | Message # 13
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Where does it say you get back all the troops killed if you retreat to HQ ?

That's what I'm asking, for some rule clarification ... again!

And, once again, nothing's written down and I don't want to assume anything so I'm second guessing everything with this campaign option ... again!

So if u lose units, you have to pay for them from ur MP pool, even at the HQ ... yes? ... Walts
 
zellakDate: Wednesday, 16-Nov-2011, 10:42 AM | Message # 14
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So if u lose units, you have to pay for them from ur MP pool, even at the HQ ... yes? ... Walts


Yes, people who are dead ....are still dead when the company returns to HQ.

Are you going to post your lists or not ?

DEMON : " When next we meet, i shall tear you limb from limb...there will be no escape. "

Hero: " You bring balloon animals and i'll hire a clown..... we can make it a regular party. "
 
BalrogDate: Wednesday, 16-Nov-2011, 10:48 AM | Message # 15
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Thanks Z!

Yeah, I can see why we need to post armies now if their away from the HQ ... it's why I didn't bother before as I understood the campaign options a "little bit" different to what's been put in place.

Watch this space! bb2 Red Blok, hell yeah! bb2 .... Thanks again, Walts
 
zellakDate: Wednesday, 16-Nov-2011, 10:51 AM | Message # 16
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At last !!!

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DEMON : " When next we meet, i shall tear you limb from limb...there will be no escape. "

Hero: " You bring balloon animals and i'll hire a clown..... we can make it a regular party. "
 
BalrogDate: Thursday, 17-Nov-2011, 9:13 AM | Message # 17
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Hi Guys

What's the situ with Hero's being attached to a company? Can
they move about the companies as they please, regardless of
where the companies are at during the week movements?

Walts
 
zellakDate: Thursday, 17-Nov-2011, 10:31 AM | Message # 18
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The Karman armies are doing that...so it must be okay.
Message edited by zellak - Thursday, 17-Nov-2011, 10:32 AM

DEMON : " When next we meet, i shall tear you limb from limb...there will be no escape. "

Hero: " You bring balloon animals and i'll hire a clown..... we can make it a regular party. "
 
pavlovDate: Thursday, 17-Nov-2011, 6:18 PM | Message # 19
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I put my hand up and fixed the problem biggrin .

Alan

Flame on

There is f&*k all cool about 10+ civil engineers running around every battlefield
 
BalrogDate: Thursday, 17-Nov-2011, 8:52 PM | Message # 20
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Now I'm confused ... again!!! Zellak's saying it's OK, Pav saying he's "fixed the problem" ... what problem? That we can move heroes about as we please, that we can't move them between companies unless they have a "supply line" or they can't move at all and they have to stay with their company until returned to the HQ, and only move to other companies at HQ or anywhere else on the campaign map ... what???

surprised Once again, different players seem to have different ideas on these inHouse Rules and nothings written down! surprised

I'll create another thread in case anyone else has been playing the campaign Re-Organisation and Reinforcements (Pages 74 & 75 of the Frostbite Rulebook) different to everyone else and we can try and get everyone on the same page ... Walts


New topic on R&R options: http://www.northayrshirewargamesclub.co.uk/forum/7-135-1
Message edited by Balrog - Thursday, 17-Nov-2011, 9:50 PM
 
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