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AT-43 inHouse - Updated
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| Balrog | Date: Wednesday, 16-Nov-2011, 00:59:39 | Message # 1 |
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Hi Guys ... I've done the updates to the AT-43 inHouse Rules, with a page showing the final points for discussion ...
>>> AT-43 inHouse: 15th Nov, 2011
PLEASE contact me, or leave a post below, if I've got ANYTHING wrong ... Walts
Extract: Voting System Suggestion:Situations where players at the meeting want to introduce a new issue to
the table have to realise that if players are missing from the face-2-face and as proxy voting relies on
prior knowledge of the meetings agenda, that no voting can be carried out during that session. This
allows all players time to prepare and proxy voting to come into play for players not at that table
meeting or the next AT-43 sit-down? … Any suggestions or feedback?
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Message edited by Balrog - Wednesday, 16-Nov-2011, 01:24:56
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| Balrog | Date: Sunday, 04-Dec-2011, 09:06:07 | Message # 2 |
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Hi Guys ... To move things along with the AT-43 inHouse Rules, I've pencilled in my thoughts below on the various outstanding items for discussion. Hopefully, other players would have read the updated inHouse Rules and we can have another quick Face-2-Face one Sunday so we can get back to playing!
Cry "Havoc!," and let slip the dogs of war!
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Voting System Suggestion:
Situations where players at the meeting want to introduce a new issue to the table have to realise that if players are missing from the face-2-face and as proxy voting relies on prior knowledge of the meetings agenda, that no voting can be carried out during that session. This allows all players time to prepare and proxy voting to come into play for players not at that table meeting or the next AT-43 sit-down.
My Thoughts: I'm happy with that! ... Walts
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| zellak | Date: Sunday, 04-Dec-2011, 19:13:36 | Message # 3 |
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You have missed one.
The alleged giant flamer template of the King Mammoth.
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| Balrog | Date: Monday, 05-Dec-2011, 01:06:28 | Message # 4 |
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Hi Guys ... To move things along with the AT-43 inHouse Rules, I've pencilled in my thoughts below on the various outstanding items for discussion. Hopefully, other players would have read the updated inHouse Rules and we can have another quick Face-2-Face one Sunday so we can get back to playing!
Cry "Havoc!," and let slip the dogs of war!
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Karman - King Mammoth - "Curtain of Flame" Equipment
From the Karman Armybook (Page 55)
Curtain of flames: At the end of its movement, if it has not yet shot its light flamers, the King Mammoth can use the “Curtain of flames”
ability. (Enemy) Units located in the shooting arc of its flamers cannot see the King Mammoth, nor the units hidden even partially by the vehicle.
My Thoughts: Having had a few crazy idea's thrashed about that I suggested ...  ... I went back to the orignal rule description and kept things simple. Both the KM and any Karman units partially (i.e. any one fighter of the unit!) behind the KM benefit from blocked Line of Sight, so can't be fired on ... the "Curtain of Flames" falls before the enemy's eyes! - full stop!
All Karman fighters have to be seen for that Karman unit to be fired on. Here's a pretty picture to show u what I mean ...
... ONi fighter ONE cannot shoot at ANY Karman fighters as the Karman Unit is partially hidden by the CoF. ONi fighter TWO can shoot as he can see the whole Karman unit! Simple, and easy peasy! No making things up that don't exist in the original rule! Any questions? Search the forums!!! Walts
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| zellak | Date: Monday, 05-Dec-2011, 19:15:03 | Message # 5 |
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My tuppence.
Civvys....make them mortal ...but use Heroes rules....allow only two per company / 4 in the game..leave everything else for this campaign.
Model Movement.....dont understand what we are voting about...anyone cutting corners is cheating....no house rule needed.
Storm Arachn.......not new, came out around the time of the ONI, my guess is they are the counter to the HBT.....leave for this campaign.
AFV jumping a crevasse.....dont agree with this, they should go around, whether wheeled or legs.
LOS to capture objectives....no brainer.
base size of transport.....agree with Balrogs idea.
Commissar................if its the one i made up, why not . 
Newton stacking repair.......not bothered, willing to be swayed either way.
Karman bikes up stairs......dont see (or remember ) the problem. They can fly up the side of the control tower anyway. No ??
Troop Re-organisation........should only be done in HQ, though reinforcements could be bought to replace destroyed units when in a sector.
King Mammoth template..........nope.
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DEMON : " When next we meet, i shall tear you limb from limb...there will be no escape. "
Hero: " You bring balloon animals and i'll hire a clown..... we can make it a regular party. "
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| Banksi | Date: Monday, 05-Dec-2011, 21:16:04 | Message # 6 |
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Civvys - only 1 per company, make them mortal in game but replaced for next game.
Model Movement - nothing broken so don't try and fix
Storm Arachn - Over powered, needs replay testing and re pointed
AFV jumping a crevasse - Tanks cant jump
LOS to capture objectives - cant get what you cant see
base size of transport - the Karmans have set the standard, they have three sizes of bases for their afv's, go with that.
Commissar - if fully play tested and points allocated dont see any problem for next campaign
Newton stacking repair - not bothered
Karman bikes up stairs. if the base size can go up the ramp/ stairs it goes
Troop Re-organisation - ok should be done at HQ
King Mammoth template - no template but the 4 points raised in the discussion added to the in-house rules
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| pavlov | Date: Monday, 05-Dec-2011, 23:28:08 | Message # 7 |
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Civvy's 2 per company mortal
Model movement why did this come up not broken dont fix
Spider thingy's waaaaaaaaaay over powerd if your in a transport  but might need re-pointed
Tanks cant jump
los to objective thats been fixed for ages why was it brought up.
Base size of transport I think we should go for type two size base for all transports , if we start using capacity to dictate base size then the Oni transport should be on a 130 base which means it's not going far on any map.
commisar no problem , I think red blok need a helping hand.
Newton the Una need a helping hand as well, this is one of my personal issues M ind get repair so if you add Newton who has repair then it should stack, it's not a game breaker and let's face it the Una heroes are keach anyway so it should be no big deal (anyway Mark doesnt like Newton so it wont even be on the table).
Karman bikes this was fixed in the first game why debate it again they go up stairs.
Troop Re-organisation - ok should be done at HQ
The template was only used as a visual aid to show the scope of the fire arc jeez you would think I brought a dead body to the club
Is this the list
1. Any unit that has at least one figure or part of a vehicle behind the Leading edge(Teknakul Aviation term for front) of the KM wing is protected by the CoF
2. Enemies cannot target the units so protected or enter into Hand2hand with any fighter(AT-43 term) through the CoF
3. Curtain of Flame does not do any damage and is a purely defensive item.
4. As with any vehicle if Shield is used by the KM then those behind the CoF protection can fire as normal.
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There is f&*k all cool about 10+ civil engineers running around every battlefield
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| Balrog | Date: Tuesday, 06-Dec-2011, 07:23:44 | Message # 8 |
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Hi Guys ... Should we try and arrange for a Face-2-Face this weekend? I would like to as most of the players are about? ... Walts
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| Balrog | Date: Tuesday, 06-Dec-2011, 07:34:01 | Message # 9 |
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Quote (zellak) Karman bikes up stairs......dont see (or remember ) the problem. They can fly up the side of the control tower anyway. No ??
Quote (Banksi) Karman bikes up stairs. if the base size can go up the ramp/ stairs it goes
Quote (pavlov) Karman bikes this was fixed in the first game why debate it again they go up stairs.
Some points to consider ...
The Karman bikes have the "rocket jump" ability to go up levels.
If the KB's can go up the stairs, why not Striders? ... so anything with the base size small enough can go up the stairs?? Most likely the ONi transports will fit! Mentalll!
Let's try and remember a basic concept of fair gameplay ... All or Nothing!!! ... If one army gets an advantage (regardless of how minor you see it!) then it's a problem people ... try not to be biased towards ur own factions!
The rule clearly states that only infantry fighters can use the stairs? How did the Karman players manage to wangle this advantage for an AFV!?
Walts
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| pavlov | Date: Tuesday, 06-Dec-2011, 19:30:42 | Message # 10 |
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Quote If the KB's can go up the stairs, why not Striders
Because they cant walk repeat walk up the stairs where as a karman bike can hover yes hover up the stairs, the base size is not the point at all.
Also everyone at the table agreed to this so why do we have to sit around a table again because you dont agree now.
Quote If one army gets an advantage (regardless of how minor you see it!) then it's a problem people
Ok So can all armies now carry 12 troops in there transports just like the Oni since that is more than a minor advantage and I would like to create a transport carrying 8 Kaman that travels on line of sight and has an 80mm base (sorry Hugh not a pop............honest ) I think if you want a level playing field for all Walter you need to play chess, I hear theres a grand master awaiting yor rules queries as we speak
Quote How did the Karman players manage to wangle this advantage for an AFV
Because we deserve it.
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Try not to be biased towards ur own factions
Which faction do you suggest I should be biased towards.
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| Balrog | Date: Wednesday, 07-Dec-2011, 01:19:58 | Message # 11 |
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Quote (pavlov) Which faction do you suggest I should be biased towards.
 How about NONE!?
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| Balrog | Date: Wednesday, 07-Dec-2011, 08:27:30 | Message # 12 |
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Quote (Balrog) Hi Guys ... Should we try and arrange for a Face-2-Face this weekend? I would like to as most of the players are about? ... Walts
Any thoughts on when we can sort these rules, especially as there's an AT-43 game this weekend? ... Walts
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| Balrog | Date: Thursday, 08-Dec-2011, 01:18:03 | Message # 13 |
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Hi Guys ... Any thoughts on the issues below? ... Walts
Quote (Balrog) Voting System Suggestion:
Situations where players at the meeting want to introduce a new issue to the table have to realise that if players are missing from the face-2-face and as proxy voting relies on prior knowledge of the meetings agenda, that no voting can be carried out during that session. This allows all players time to prepare and proxy voting to come into play for players not at that table meeting or the next AT-43 sit-down.
My Thoughts: I'm happy with that! ... Walts
Quote (Balrog) Firing Suggestion:
- More play-testing required for weapons LoS?
- Field of view to be respected for AFV?
- Firer under cover and the effects on it’s weapons LoS, i.e. left & right-handed weapons now have a LoS of their own?
My Thoughts: I'd rather keep the rule of center LoS allowing ALL weapons to fire, regardless of where weapons are on the model ... Walts
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| zellak | Date: Friday, 09-Dec-2011, 21:24:53 | Message # 14 |
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Quote (Balrog) Any thoughts on when we can sort these rules, especially as there's an AT-43 game this weekend? ... Walts
No replies....guess not. 
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| Banksi | Date: Friday, 09-Dec-2011, 21:57:08 | Message # 15 |
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At the weekend
Can we have it fairly well structured please, like the most annoying first
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Message edited by Banksi - Friday, 09-Dec-2011, 21:58:29
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| Che | Date: Sunday, 11-Dec-2011, 20:03:11 | Message # 16 |
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Well, I thought today's meeting went very well. I think all decisions were well made and fair. So that's that! 
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| zellak | Date: Sunday, 11-Dec-2011, 20:31:45 | Message # 17 |
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Quote (Che) Well, I thought today's meeting went very well. I think all decisions were well made and fair. So that's that!
Yep, glad thats all sorted...no more meetings needed. Rules all sorted.
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| Balrog | Date: Sunday, 11-Dec-2011, 20:40:30 | Message # 18 |
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Hey Guys ... Sorry for being a no-show today.
If u managed to get the inHouse rules voted on, let me know the decisions so I can write them down for everyone to see. 
I could have used the "proxy voting" myself, but came in waaayyyyy to late, or was it early, to sort my thoughts out, so can only blame myself for not getting my votes cast at the table! Anyways, glad we're finally sorted and can get back to some gaming! ... Walts
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| zellak | Date: Sunday, 03-Feb-2013, 01:54:12 | Message # 19 |
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How many in-house rules do we have ? (which are not campaign specific !!!)
There are only four i can think of.
1) We dont use the rule that states you can use any unit of the same type when a card is turned.....NOBODY uses that one !
2) Units must have a LOS to an objective to claim control.
3) LOS is taken from the centre of the shooter.
4) Med-Techs only test morale when they take a casualty.
Are these the only ones we need to know for playing 4' x 4' games ?
Thought i would ask....as its been a year and the download In-House rules still seem to be up in the air.
i dont want to start an online debate....just pm me if there are any i forgot....Thanks Added (03-Feb-2013, 0:54 AM)
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This needs updated !
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